"How Can We All Make it into the Future?" - Episode #42: Zoë Ryan in conversation with Gabriel Kozlowski

In this episode of "How Can We All Make it into the Future?", Daniel W Dietrich, II Director, Institute of Contemporary Art, University of Pennsylvania Zoë Ryan talks to architect and assistant curator for the 17th International Architecture Exhibition – La Biennale di Venezia 2021, Gabriel Kozlowski about the importance of keeping up with the contemporary thinking and interconnections between art, architecture, and design in Ryan's curatorial practice. They discuss the interdisciplinary way of thinking about art and its role within society and what makes something contemporary.