Jonathan Lisecki with Sarah Gertrude Shapiro

On this latest episode of the Talkhouse Film podcast, Gayby's writer­director Jonathan Lisecki talks about the best new TV show of the summer, UnREAL, with Sarah Gertrude Shapiro, its co­creator, writer and supervising producer. The pair discuss Shapiro's background, her inspirations, how she turned an award­winning short film into a hit TV show in record time, getting over "the Lifetime of it all," and much more. For more filmmakers talking film and TV, visit Talkhouse Film at talkhouse.com/film.