Inside the Debate Spin Room & Retaining Hope in Bureaucracy | Guest Spotlight

Jordan Klepper sits with John Heilemann, chief political columnist at Puck and host of the “Impolitic” podcast, to discuss his time in the media spin room during the Trump-Harris debate, why he thinks Kamala Harris won, and whether or not the debate moved undecided voters. Also, historian and best-selling author Yuval Noah Harari chats about his latest book, “Nexus: A Brief History of Information Networks From the Stone Age to AI,” how people absorb an overflow of information, and why there’s still hope in bureaucracy. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.